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Originally Posted By: Adan. The action is 1 for me. Can you tell a little bit more about the drawbar organ? What about the overdrive and rotary sim? Listen to the clips above. Sounds like a washing machine gargling.
Yes, I listened. With vocals above it and ambient noise surrounding, it's VERY hard to discern what's going on there. Why Studiologic didn't put something better yet is beyond my comprehension. Hope it's soon. Originally Posted By: To B3. First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all very small screen with some menu-diving required.
One thing I hope it's possible: considering that each "side" or "layer" accepts two effects, if you make a layer of the same sound, let's say, a Rhodes, you can have for example, Drive, Chorus, Pan Trem and Delay ate the same, if you want to.
Not bad for bucks, and the sounds are not too shabby if they're the same as the "old" Compact 2 guess they are. I'd say the work flow does take a bit to get used to, but after a couple of sessions it becomes quite intuitive, on the NC2 anyhow. Just a dab does it for EP's Clavs and Organ for my tastes.
FYI, only the FX selector buttons are on the front panel. From the 2 manual, it appears that you can modify amount or other effect parameters with the modulation stick, or something like that.
There's also an Automatic setting in Global. I'm not sure how it works, but seems to nearly always adjust what I want it to. It must take cue from the last effect activated or some kind of hierarchy logarithm.
Whatever, I like it. As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound. I assume it has something to do with the Sledge engine.
Liked the basic sound and editability. Leslie sim seems pretty decent too. Originally Posted By: Bollani Again it is very touchy; a quarter-turn of the dial or less is plenty for organ; and I LIKE a crunchy tone. Oh Yes, that's why I was bummed, it was not shown in the demo.
Odd drawbar choices, too. But, again the basic tone, perc, CV and leslie sim are pertty decent to say the least. Originally Posted By: brenner Also MIA in the demo is any indication of leakage, which was quite good in the original Numa Organ not so good in the 2 , I wonder if it's been implemented at all. I also wonder if they've implemented the ability to toggle rotary speed with a footswitch.
Looking forward to know about all those things too. What about the leslie sim on that video, AnotherScott? How do you compare to the Numa Organ? At this price point we are probably safe to assume that the C2X has a rather abbreviated organ engine. Looking fwd to demoing one of these as I would prefer to take something like this to a weekly jam than to haul the Fantom X6. Originally Posted By: gd1. I just preordered one from SW. This may be the answer to my lightweight controller search.
Originally Posted By: HammondDave. Just saw two shipping dates from GC and Musicans Friend. May 31 and June 7. There's still little info on how they are implementing the sledge-like synth engine. If so, just stick an iphone loaded with Syntronik or synth of choice on top via a camera connection kit and you've expanded the synth capabilities and sound palette manifold. Originally Posted By: Dr88s. Thanks for that tfort. I would presume at NAMM they would focus on the internal sounds rather than its function as a controller for other synths.
Looks promising though! So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday That's the older one, not the 2x Originally Posted By: bjosko. Sorry, will get back to sleep mode. You can learn a lot from seeing close up pictures. One that I saw shows which synth parameters are controlled by the drawbars when it's in synth mode. I bought a Compact 2 only about six months ago.
When I saw the 2X, I decided to donate my board to my church, and now I'm waiting for Sweetwater to get theirs in. If I knew how to post the picture I'd put it in here. To embed an image or video you must hit the Reply button first.
Don't just start writing in the box. In the Reply window you see a row of button icons across the top, hover your mouse over them and you'll see one for Image and one for Video among other things.
Click it and it's obvious what to do. Originally Posted By: Radagast. No percussion volume select, I see. Maybe you can go in and edit a preset. At any rate, this seems like a fun little board.
The interesting thing is that it has 1 Gb of flash memory for those extra voices so they can apparently be easily upgraded down the road.
Since the unit is not yet in production I do not have a clue as to when that aspect will be implemented. I am anxiously awaiting the manual next, just like you. Originally Posted By: tfort. He said that he hadn't for two reasons: that he didn't want to offend the forum members as a manufacturer, and he was worried about how much time it would take to scan the forum regularly to not miss questions.
I told him that the forum would welcome his input, so long as he fully identified himself and was here to answer questions, not to market. He did say he'd consider it. Mike- thanks for pointing out my error. Amazing what you miss even after a quick proofread. In both my original email and followup response, I pointed out to Gianni that a manufacturer rep who is clear about his affiliations and that doesn't market is very welcome at KC, pointing him to Guido and Andrea on the Seven thread perhaps the reason for my typo earlier.
I told him that KC is a great place to build credibility with an influential audience. I think he gets that, but is wary of the potential time suck, which seems like a valid perspective. I'm sure many on the forum have emailed or spoken with Gianni over the years.
He has answered a few of my questions sent via web contact form or to info studiologic-music. He did say he would consider joining, and offered this: "Please feel free to write me at any time and best regards,to all forum's friends! Going back to the original point, I think audio over USB is going to make using iPad apps to expand the sonic palette of a keyboard much easier.
With today's announcement of the Minimoog Model D app, I was just picturing how simple it would be to supplement the basic Sledge-lite synth of the Compact 2x with Minimoog sounds.
I'm still eager to hear some demos of the C2x's synth section, but I'm not as worried about it any more. IF the board is well supported over time I think it will be a huge hit.
Yeah, it is depressing. Guitar Center in Danbury has only cheap stuff. Then again, so man of us have increasingly been buying online anyway, with the luxury of 30 days or whatever to really see what a board can do and how it can integrate into our rigs, and these places aren't going to stock what people aren't buying from them.
Yes that's the picture I was referring to. It looks like it doesn't have V3 or C3 vibrato, unless the select button can select it and both lights for V1 and V2, or C1 and C2 light up.
The abbreviations under the drawbars and next to the footages look like the following parameters can be edited from left with the 16' to right : Filter cutoff, Filter resonance, Filter Attack, Filter Decay, Filter release, LFO speed, LFO depth, Amplitude attack and Amplitude release. So there isn't a sustain level on the envelopes. Maybe when the Compact 3 comes out, it will have complete organ capabilities and much more extensive synth editing.
As pointed out by other users above, if the audio over USB works seamlessly, even an iPod touch loaded with some of the newer apps would allow for any synth part you might need.
I had the Numa Compact 2 and was generally pleased with it, especially considering the price. The audio over USB is seamless with the latest firmware on the Compact 2. Ravenscroft has never played so well and sounded so good for me. Camera Kit required, though. You guys still finding it as playable and attractive?
Originally Posted By: timwat. The keybed is a compromise to be sure. I can imagine "piano players" may not like the feel at all. My Kawai ES has arguably better ac piano sound and vastly better feel with hammer action and all, but it hasn't been touched in weeks. Guess I'm still in honeymoon bliss almost a year with the NC2.
Now I must say the Compact2's pianos have some artifacts and buzzes and weird harmonics on certain keys that I thought of at first as interesting and original; now those are juSt beginning to bend my ear a bit. And there is a high frequency tail on the spring reverb that drives me nuts with EP's. Actually, I could nitpick most of the onboard effects, but then this price point and 15 pounds and the great controller capabilities, I'm still quite happy. Strongly appreciate the Compact 2 review and feedback, Brenner!
I see in your sig that you also have a VR as well. Numa's samples have a much more natural, evolving decay. Roland apparently addressed this with a couple of better pianos in the new I haven't heard them so cannot comment further. Rhodes and Wurly's are again very subjective. I like the NC2 better right now, but it is still newer more fresh to my ears.
Organs are much more playable on the VR09 with the high key trigger and drawbars. NC2's organs sound okay but just can't adjust the tone. Anxious to hear what folks think of the 2X's drawbars and sound before I upgrade.
Roland's got my nod for Brass, Strings, Pads, Leads, and just about any other sounds. They just fit better to my ears and are easily tweaked. However as mentioned in another thread, the NC2 and iPad are what usually go to rehearsal. Korg Module usually provides any sound needed in that setting and the NC2 is by far the best controller I have.
Studiologic Numa Compact 2X website Not sure how long it has been there but just noticed a short little demo if some clean organ sounds. I wondered If those quotation marks would get get a response.
Perhaps "piano purists" may have been a better derogatory term? I can play a little piano, but my hands are far lacking the technical skill and physical endurance to consider myself a qualified pianist.
See, I only meant to imply that the touch is really nothing like hammer action. Anyway, some of my best friends are piano players, and most make it clear how unweighted keys are less than desirable for their tastes.
I'd be curious of the comments from a couple of these acquaintances after a go with this keybed. Super cool it works for you. I sure am having a blast with it. The shorter key length does cause me a few problems now and then. Not in placement of my fingers, but depressing the key itself, if I have to put my finger farther back in a big chord.
I also play a 7' Kawai grand at church and there's a BIG difference. But for an all around keyboard, the size, weight, price, and features are hard to match, let alone beat. Studiologic informed me first week of april on Facebook, by a message on march I'm assuming we won't get any info from Studiologic until Musikmesse starts next Wednesday. The week is not over yet! Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.
You're welcome. The video isn't very helpful, but it's something. First time I've heard the synth, not much added re. Gianni said "about a couple of months" to ship, the bullet points state that factory and user sound will be updatable with a separate application coming out in the fall.
That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. Fine - it's a big NanoKontrol or similar. The odd thing is the "thru" capability to allow a "dumb" board to become four-zone capable.
But that's all conjecture, I haven't Svengled the manuals. Cheers, Mike. Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP semi-weighted? More or less piano-like? Originally Posted By: Nadroj.
Originally Posted By: stoken6. Regardless, it seems like a wonderful tactile interface for all of these iOS synths and such. The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful. There's also the option of using a Ventilator. Though that would be less than ideal unless they at least let you pan sounds to one side or the other, which I don't think they do.
That's how I interpreted it; watch the video and give us your take. Whether Studiologic will be sampling new instruments and having a downloadable library of sounds a la Nord remains to be seen. It does have 1GB of sample memory, and the impression Gianni gave was that a good bit of it remains unused.
Would the Numa Compact 2 also get this functionality for updating the samples? Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons. I got the 2 for Christmas and am loving it! May consider the 2x or 3!! How has studio logic been in recent years with firmware updates for bug fixes - the Numa and SL stuff, the Sledge, and the first Compact, etc?
Am a bit late to this thread, honestly was hoping for an instrument with this form factor and versatility from Crumar They have all the pieces and then some Lightweight 88 key perfect for open mike nite Anxious to try Compact 2x.. Would sell like hotcakes cakes.
Originally Posted By: ap What is the level of tweakability of this board? Or is it more of a "take it or leave it" type of format? Since we all have our own definitions of the best Hammond sound, programmability of both the basic organ sound and also Leslie parameters would be desired, and the same would also be said for the other sounds as well.
One glaring omission I did spot, checking on what info was available on the SL webpage, was the lack of a wah effect, which we would want for clavs. I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch. I don't expect a whole lot of on-board synth editing, but an ipad or computer based editor would be really cool. IAt about the keyboard went silent.
Originally Posted By: wd8dky. He had said shipping in few months so might be a few bugs left to work out. I emailed American Music and Sound and received a reply today.
The first shipment is scheduled to arrive in the U. The units will appear in stores in the beginning of June. They are already almost sold out of their first shipment. I might skip the 2X and wait for the Compact 3, which will probably have much more synth control. Anybody else have that sinking feeling that it's going to be delayed further? Cancelled mine yesterday. Bought a Mojo 61 instead. Perfect lightweight rehearsal board. I think it's pretty safe to assume that virtually everything the Mojo 61 does, it will do better than the Numa.
The question would be whether that's all you need, since the Numa does so much more. Up from there, Roland VR Do we know if the 2x has the Numa Organ 2 engine?
The demos don't really show enough yet. Organ demo:. Demo of many sounds: Organ demo:. Hey didn't you read that earlier post? The XW-P1 blows. No amount of good sounding demos is going to change the expert opinion. Case closed. But as an organ or a rompler? It sucks hard. I'm guessing an app will be needed to really edit the synth parameters at all but if the synth if close to the Sledge it'll smoke the P1.
The thing is a darned good controller for my iPad. I won't even get into the Leslie sim because it will drive you to stab coat hangers into your eardrums. And the keyboard action is superior to the XW-P1 in every way.
The Numa 2x still looks like a stage piano with extra sounds and not a synth so there are no controls. I would expect much more synth editing controls. I'm leaning strongly towards cancelling my order with Sweetwater. I know because I waited several months to get the 2 from Sweetwater.
If it takes them a little longer to get it out the door so be it. My only fear is how buggy it will be and will they get firmware updates out to fix quickly. I wish StudioLogic nothing but the best with this product, but I think "unweighted 88" is a very narrow niche.
I've been key advocate for over 30 years from my first "real" synth being the JX It spoiled me I guess because 61 has always felt cramped for two handed play. However since taking up piano again, it sure is nice to hit those lower keys of an 88 when such a rumble is desired. I often miss that beautiful Low D when going back to a 76'er. The easy split and controller capabilities of the Compact 2 and 2X also provide ample reason for 88 keys. And at 15 pounds, I love it.
Originally Posted By: drawback. Perhaps the hold-up getting this to market is that Studiologic is rethinking its potential for this board. I wouldn't call the keybed in the Compact 2 top notch. The 2X is supposed to have the same. Both the white and black keys are shorter than standard keys.
Because of that, it takes more force to push down a key if your finger is positioned further in. I have had rehearsals in CC Philly where I have had to walk several blocks to get the the studio, and dropping the keyboard off prior to parking was not an option.
It is too springy, and the short keys are weird. The black notes are really odd in how hard they are to trigger. Maybe I could adapt to one of these things, but this trifecta of quirks will have me sell this keyboard for less than half price.
Pretty sweet! But for me, the action is unusable, so I will sell it for cheap. If you need something close to a piano action even a cruddy piano action , this is probably not for you. Originally Posted By: unitjazz. Frankly, I really enjoy playing the NC2 and love the action for a semi-weighted. I have no issues with it and can really dig in. It's a bit more resistant than my old Studiologic TMK which was nice and I guess I've learned to adapt to many actions since starting on piano 54 years ago but the NC2 is a pleasure, particularly the I too have come to rather enjoy playing on the NC2 however, as commented on before, it is quite a different keybed than any I've experienced before, and took a couple of weeks to find the right technique for maximum expressivity.
Definitely repeating myself here but as a synth and organ player for over 30 years, I found it challenging to play weighted keys again on my Kawai ES; especially when switching back and forth from unweighted keys on the top tier. I think it may have been CEB that provided wonderful advice to use forearm weight for weighted piano. Thank you! The NC2 requires somewhere between these techniques; too much arm weight and the aftertouch activates.
Fine variation of finger speed seems to provide best dynamic interaction for me on that board, but still different than any other keys I have. Not easy to explain. Whelp, gotta go practice now. My gig rig and most of my studio is set for playing while standing, and I am admittedly rather heavy-handed, so aftertouch triggers pretty easy for me. Both take deliberate presses and are quite easy to control depth, even when modulating pitch. However imho, the Numa C2's keybed feels better overall, particularly for piano noises and while a bit easier to accidentally trigger AT, it is worlds better than the Yamaha EX5 that triggers with just the slightest pressure with no way to adjust it.
That is one of the few keys I have set to play while sitting in the studio. Man, what a great board and controller. Hmm, everytime I talk about this stuff I get an overwhelming desire to fire up the rig. I'm really interested in this keyboard. I've been looking for something with 88 keys or thereabouts to use primarily as a midi controller, but that can also be used as a keyboard for gigs or practicing at a friends place.
This seems like it does everything I want well enough and won't break the bank like other other leading contender [the Nord stage 3] would. I was in a music shop the other day and they had a Numa compact 2 on display same keybed and I really really like the feel of it. I'm a tiny bit concerned about playing chords with my long fingers and the shorter key length. Nice the keys are standard width though; that woulda been a deal breaker for me. Guitar center's website shows that it is in stock today, but then the button still says preorder Originally Posted By: djdisbro.
I can't believe this is really happening! They said it couldn't be done. That Studiologic would go bankrupt trying to pack in so many sounds into a keyboard with this low a price. Looks like the experts were wrong. Now ask yourself about the price of the Nords and whether or not it is even close to being justifiable.
I don't recall any MI industry pundits saying any of those things. And since it isn't shipping in the US at least , there's no way to know what effect it will have on Studio Logic's bottom line for the year.
I think you're teasing us, mojoguy. Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead. Damn, when I called them about it a couple days ago they said there was stock if I put in a preorder. Guess that got eaten up now waiting for the next shipment. Originally Posted By: Copacetic. I played one of these today at gear fest.
Oddly it sat right next to an NE6. The action and sound seemed adequate, but nowhere near the NE6. The rep, who's name tag read "Nord technician". Said it was one of 3 in the US that they are using for events. The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor.
The numa compact 2x seemingly offers a lot of usable sound plus a great midi controller for the same as what you'd pay for a good 88 key midi controller. If this get's on people's radars this thing will sell like hot cakes. I'm holding out. At this price it competes with VRb. That's tough competition sonically. But it's not hard to beat the VRb's action or feel of drawbars.
User interface - we'll see which makes it easier to do what most need to get done. Both are bogus claims. Pianos and EPs are what is in the 2. A knownn quantity. The 2x has a couple of demos from shows.
The organ sounds decent in those videos. Hard to tell how. Not shit. Since when has Studiologic been known for vaporware? It's not like they claim that the 2x can do cold fusion.
This is a 2 that they threw some drawbars and a couple extra buttons on and a new processor inside. They make the Sledge and Organ 2 so it's not like they don't already have a synth and organ engine to slap in there. They'll need to modify them for the limited controls but it's not exactly like they are starting from square one. Studiologic has been doing some great stuff. The Organ and Sledge are high end and the Stage and Numa are solid middle-weight stage pianos that punch above their class.
I'm optimistic that this will be another good board for someone who wants this all in one package, you do lose a lot of control vs the Organ and Sledge but the sound quality should be there in the 2x.
Originally Posted By: Chromedoggy. Now ask yourself about the price of the Nords Crumar Seven and whether or not it is even close to being justifiable. I wasn't being confrontational; it's just a similar situation of a much cheaper do it all board being held up to the standards of a much pricier more focused application board.
Like you, I pre-ordered one as a rehearsal board. It's much lighter than my NS2, and at roughly a fifth of the price, I would be OK leaving it in my trunk if I went out for dinner or drinks before or after a rehearsal, which I have never done with my Nord. I frankly don't expect it to sound as good as a Mojo or even the Numa Organ. It would make no sense for Studiologic to cram all of the technology from three of their more expensive boards into a single cheaper machine.
I am most interested in the audio over USB feature, to supplement any shortcomings in the sound engines with iOS apps. Personally, I don't like Galileo but perhaps the newer version is better After hearing the organ sim I knew that the 2x would only be serving as a controller for Galilleo.
After being lied to by several sources who should have known better they told me that deliverers would be in March. It makes it look like they don't know what they are doing.
The Numa Compact 2x doesn't appear to be crap, serviceable organ, piano, EPs. It's real benefits are going to be price, weight, action , range after touch , and MIDI controller functionality. I hear ya, being really excited about something and expecting it to be available by a certain date only to have that date pushed back and pushed back is frustrating.
Now seems like because that happened to you, you're trying to sling some crap at the company. Yeah probably they should have just said "It will be available when it's available", but the salesman and marketers and fans hate that. We want to know when exactly we can get it, but the engineers, programmers, suppliers, etc only have an estimate of when that will be, kinda just depends what happens. That's just the way it is, especially with smaller companies and new products.
If you can expect that then maybe you won't get so pissed when it happens. Far as I can tell the sounds they have incorporated from the organ or the sledge are the same sounds, just there's a lot less of them and less functionality to modify those sounds.
This is exactly the kind of sacrifice for a cheaper price I'm totally willing to make. Less content but the content that is there is of equal quality.
Anyway personally, for me, anything by Roland isn't even in the running. Just gave the pianos another listen just to confirm Man the Numa piano sounds really great to me. I actually think I might prefer it to the Yamaha, It's not as warm as Yamaha, but it just sounds so natural and expressive. Questions Hot! Using Roland UM-One mk2 midi lead. I got it to work last week but can't figure out how!
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